botox shots using videostroboscopy


Posted by Linda ® , Sep 25,2000,21:00   Archive
I just started another round of speech therapy after getting my 13th (I think) botox shot. The speech pathologist said sometimes speech therapy will help maximize the effects of botox. Thus far I've learned I should drink more water to keep everything lubricated and sleep with head of bed elevated. Because too dry of a body and reflux from esophagus are both very hard on the voice. I've been practicing drinking more water and voice does seem stronger or it could be botox is getting to the best level after injection. We'll see how long it lasts this time. Hope I'll be able to make it last longer with the therapy. This speech therapist also suggested I try a different approach to botox which would be videostroboscopy to inject cords. He said this way he can actually see movement of the cords and get to the spasm rather than trying to shoot with a blindfold on. As he said and others have said on here results vary with each botox depending on dose and where needle is placed, etc. I was wondering if anyone else has these done internally rather than using EMG externally. Any feedback would be appreciated. One drawback for me is I have to travel about 2 hours further for this procedure and I'm now checking to see if my insurance covers in another state. So.....just checking thus far.



Recommend Current pageAuthor Profile
Replies to this message


Re: botox shots using videostroboscopy

Re : botox shots using videostroboscopy --- Linda
Posted by David Barton (NZ) ® (David Barton-NZ,David Barton (NZ)), Sep 25,2000,22:53 Top of Thread Archive
Hi Linda - when you say "HE can actually see ..." do you mean the speech therapist/pathologist? And does this mean you have a speech therapist/pathologist doing the shots?

The reason I ask is that, in my opinion, external shots using EMG are best done by someone who has a good 'feel' for the anatomy of the larynx as well as relying on the EMG signal for placement. In my case the shots are done by an ENT (otolaryngologist).

I've read/heard somewhere (not sure of the source) that internal shots are no more successful than external, and I would think the actual process would take longer and be less comfortable.

Good luck with whatever you decide...

David




Recommend Original Message Top of Thread Where am I? Current pageAuthor Profile
Re: botox shots using videostroboscopy

Re : Re: botox shots using videostroboscopy --- David Barton (NZ)
Posted by Kristina Gomez ® , Sep 27,2000,00:02 Top of Thread Archive
Yeah David, Dr. Berke (head/neck surgeon) just felt for the muscles using his hand to get proper placement. An EMG could only make it better.



Recommend Original Message Top of Thread Where am I? Current pageAuthor Profile
Re: botox shots using videostroboscopy

Re : Re: botox shots using videostroboscopy --- David Barton (NZ)
Posted by linda ® (Linda,linda), Sep 28,2000,18:32 Top of Thread Archive
What I meant was an ENT doctor giving the injection. My speech pathologist just suggested I may want to try this procedure for a better result. Don't know exactly what I'll decide as will do more research regarding costs, payment of insurance, etc. The speech pathologist seemed to think the doc would have more of a chance to get injection exactly in the right place to produce a better result with longer between injections. So thanks for the info and I'll let you know if I do decide to go through with this procedure if results are any better or not.



Recommend Original Message Top of Thread Where am I? Current pageAuthor Profile
Re: botox shots using videostroboscopy

Re : botox shots using videostroboscopy --- Linda
Posted by Kristina Gomez ® , Sep 27,2000,00:00 Top of Thread Archive
Linda, my videostroboscopy was SO expensive! It is considered a surgical procedure by my insurance company, and they charged me well over $1300. If you were to have that done with every injection, I think your insurance company would flip out. In my opinion, a good doctor should be able to do it just fine with a EMG. I can't see how a stroboscopy would help a doc find better placement than strictly using a scope, as the stroboscopy is just a scope with a strobe light attached. Doesn't make sense, does it?
I think the speech therapy should help you keep your results better longer, and do recommend continuing with those, but you may want a second opinion to the effectiveness of using stroboscopy for botox placement.



Recommend Original Message Top of Thread Where am I? Current pageAuthor Profile
Re: botox shots using videostroboscopy

Re : botox shots using videostroboscopy --- Linda
Posted by JOHN S. BEEMAN ® (john s. beeman,JOHN S. BEEMAN), Sep 27,2000,10:03 Top of Thread Archive
In the 10 years I received injections, I only experienced the EMG approach. My doctor in Cincinnati used "feel" and the EMG. Typically he could tell when he was in the muscle and the EMG neurologist would confirm this belief.

I know that other physicians use a scope via the nose to "view" the location of the injection. If you've ever seen the video tape from the NSDA where the hydroplane driver talks about his SD, they show this approach. While I cannot imagine how adding a strobe effect to this approach would help find the target, I'm not the professional - just the target. I know that Larry Kowalski (sp?) received injections via the mouth (I think this is what he said at the National Conf. in 1993 in Nashville, Tn.) and using a scope to find the muscle. The suggestion was that this approach was more effective as it found the center of the target - where the EMG approach might be off a bit, diminishing the effectiveness of the injection. John




Recommend Original Message Top of Thread Where am I? Current pageAuthor Profile
Re: botox shots using videostroboscopy

Re : Re: botox shots using videostroboscopy --- JOHN S. BEEMAN
Posted by David Barton (NZ) ® (David Barton-NZ,David Barton (NZ)), Sep 27,2000,17:24 Top of Thread Archive
I agree the EMG approach may not always find the exact centre of the target. That's why some doctors spread the shots over 2 to 3 sites in the cord to 'spread it around' a bit.

David




Recommend Original Message Top of Thread Where am I? Current pageAuthor Profile