Posted by goly ® (goly ostovar,goly), Jan 16,2001,21:08 |
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Assuming that there may be two kinds of SD, A psychological one, and a neurological one................. I wonder what relationship there might be between SD and Stuttering. I don’t know much about stuttering but I am thinking that some of the social fear of speaking and worrying about the voice could be affecting our speech. When we walk we don’t think about it, and when we used to talk we didn’t think about it .....It just happened. Now speaking has become a deliberate action.
I wonder if stuttering problems originate in the same place in the brain as SD does? Would techniques used to relieve stuttering help SD?
Any thoughts on that?
Re: any relationships between SD and stuttering?
I read a book called, I believe, "Stutter No More" and it said that with stutterers it is the "Getting ready to apeak" that is the problem. Also, stutterers don't stutter when they talk to themselves. It sounded very much like my problem. If I remember correctly it said that if you take your breath, then let out a little of it before starting to speak, you can have a smooth onset. If you want the name of the book I can look it up. I checked it out of our local library.
Micki
Re: any relationships between SD and stuttering?
Micki,I would love to have the name and the author of the book. I just have this feeling that my problem is caused by psychological factors and may be some of the tools that stutters use could be helpful to me. I was the guest speaker and honored artist today at a school assembly with about 400 kids and adults. I had dreaded to go all week from the fear that my voice may sound strangled and break and get caught. I was elated! I really pumped myself up before going and felt my passion for what I wanted to say and luckily they had an amplification system too and I spoke almost flawlessly. I am thinking that in other settings, like my work, I have not been heard for so long and have not felt worthy that gradually I have lost my "presence". I probably have fallen into a pattern of anticipation that my voice will not come out and it doesn't. It is embarassing for me to even admit to myself that my voice may have psychological roots, but it very well could. the feelings of being restrained, held back, tight, and what is the use of saying this? all ......over come me in certain settings. and I find my voice going into the abyss. But today I was a celeberated artist and I felt like I was glowing and my voice did not betray me.
Re: any relationships between SD and stuttering?
Goly, good for you!! What a wonderful honor to be a celebrated artist. All of you people on the BB that sing, paint, and have a multitude of other talents make me "almost" envious. Rather than be envious, I will celebrate your uniqueness. Makes me feel good to know so many wonderful and talented people. Glad your voice was strong and good!! We need all the breaks we can get. Way to go, girl!! Lylia
Re: any relationships between SD and stuttering?
Stuttering Solved by Martin F. Schwartz, PhD, J. D. Lippincott & Co., 1976, ISBN 0-397-01134-2. Questions he starts investigating are why do stutterers struggle to speak in their normal voice, but can whisper or sing effortlessly? Why do they not stutter when they are alone and talk aloud to themselves? Why do they not stutter when talking to animals or when using an assumed accent or when speaking at a markedly different pitch? He details his journey of discovery, starting with a small girl who stutteret. As they rode together to the top of the empire state building, she started speaking normally. Back at the bottom, she stuttered again. It is a fascinating piece of research. His conclusions are that it is a throwback to a survival mechanism of babies, whose neck is short ant prone to kink, shutting off the air supply. When the vocal cords and other muscles sense a buildup of air, they reflexively open the air passages to prevent suffocation. Since a buildup of air is necessary before speech, when this reflex occurs, it causes a laryngospasm and no sound can come out. People develop different coping methods WHICH BECOME HABITS. He says the timeline is stress -- laryngospasm -- struggle with speech. He says it is the "getting ready to speak" that needs to be changed, that voice therapy is too late in the chain. He outlines 8 types of stress: baseline stress; situation stress (on the phone, etc); word or sound stress; authority figure stress; the stress of uncertainty; physical stress; external stress (bad news); and speed stress (trying to talk too fast or being pressured by the speed of the other person's conversation to talk rapidly). He tells of one man who moved to a new state, changed his name, his manner of speech, style of clothing, haircut, mode of living, etc. He spoke fluently until one day he met someone in a restaurant from his former life and reverted back to his old method of speech instantly. The treatment: He says he has an 89% cure rate with airflow technique. This involves letting out a tiny sigh (a bit of air) before each sentence. The flow is passive, never pushed. This keeps the vocal cords open and relaxed prior to speech and the brain does not get the feedback signals to trigger the conditioned reflex. Relapses are caused by: pushing the flow; failure to transition smoothly (pausing slightly before starting to speak); failure of intent (forming your mouth in anticipation of the upcoming sound so the flow is affected by the anticipation; and holding the flow (never hold the flow but keep it in constant movement). He cautions about speaking fast, and says many people become overconfident after initial success and relapse because they don't pay attention to the technique. He says that Winston Churchill was a stutterer as a teen and developed the habit of starting each sentence with mmmm. BTW, I earlier reported that I had no speaking problems in Mexico. Reading this book again helped me make the connection that I was 5,000 feet in altitude there, and only 500 feet at home. Micki Nellis
Stutter No More - Free book by Dr. Schwarz on internet
Dr. Schwarz has placed his book "Stutter No More" on the internet and it is a free download from: http://www.stuttering.com/book.html This is the doctor whose work I outlined in my previous post.
Micki
Related link: http://www.stuttering.com/book.html
Re: Stutter No More - Free book by Dr. Schwarz on internet
Micki: I scanned through the book. It is very interesting how much stutterers and those of us with SD have in common when reading problems, that we have when trying to speak. I just went through a course of speech therapy after my last botox and my voice did improve considerably but as botox wore off the spasms returned. But I just received my botox again two weeks ago and I'm again trying the same exercises. My speech therapist told me air before speech. He said take a breath and let it out alittle and then speak. He said air should come at the beginning and end of words. Which is the airflow technique they talk about in the book. Again I find it very interesting and plan to read the entire book piece by piece. Thanks for the info and good luck to you...
Re: SD and Stuttering are related.
All the latest research suggests that stuttering IS a neurological disorder. The misconception that it is a psychological disorder has caused a lot of pain and misuderstanding. From what I understand, they also believe that stuttering has something to do with basal ganglia--the same with SD. I also have to say that the whole distinction between neurological and psychological SD or between MTD and SD seems very dubious to me. Just because something is neurological doesn't mean that it won't be affected by stress. I think most people with SD would admit there are sometimes when SD is better than others. For instance, I don't have any spasms when I sing. I don't have spasms when I talk in exaggeratedly nasal voice. But that doesn't mean I don't have SD. I think the real distinction is between those people who have severe SD and those with mild SD. The danger with some of these other distinctions is that people with mild SD end up being told by their doctors that they don't really have SD. We're back to the same old problem--telling people it's all in their head. I can't believe that some of you are willing to accept that kind of off hand diagnosis. Sorry I'm so tendentious about this, but, as someone with mild SD who has been told that I don't "really" have SD, I get very irritated by these kinds of posts.
Re: dubious distiction enjoys air flow
I know that it can be irritiating when one has a real physiological problem and others including friends and doctors tell them to relax, it isa psychological and an emotional one. But consider the reverse! could that happen? I think so. As much as I don't want to think mine has emotional roots, there are many indications that it could be.I have been trying this air flow suggestion that has been recommended for stuttering and it is totally helping me.I am not saying stuttering is emotiona. I am just saying the suggestions helped me. "This involves letting out a tiny sigh (a bit of air) before each sentence. The flow is passive, never pushed. This keeps the vocal cords open and relaxed prior to speech and the brain does not get the feedback signals to trigger the conditioned reflex. Relapses are caused by: pushing the flow; failure to transition smoothly (pausing slightly before starting to speak); failure of intent (forming your mouth in anticipation of the upcoming sound so the flow is affected by the anticipation; and holding the flow (never hold the flow but keep it in
constant movement)."
I am keeping Kristina's thoughts on the subject of compensations in mind. I don't want to compleletly change how I normally speak, but some of these things we have been talking about have been helpful to some of us. And At this juncture in my life, I don't even need to know if it is in my head, body, or spirit, I just wanna talk and feel comfie and relaxed and I's gonna try what ever helps to keep me from using botox or having to do surgery. I am glad those options are availabe as a last ditch effort. By the way I had been sobpoenaed to give a deposition on a child custody case, that I am emotiomnally close too. I had been feeling so worried that I might look like a fool to people by losing my voice and having the "catch" happen. So I told the attorney that I had laryngitis and I might have to speak very softly. I spent a long time preparing myslef, bath, relaxing, deep breathing, using the voice exercises on the way to the deposition,and my voice once again behaved!! I had a couple of drops in pitch and I stopped and picked it backup. I actually think feeling emotionally charged helped my voice. But today in the classroom, talking one on one with kids that I am very comfortable with, I don't knwo what happend but I lost that special "setting" where my voice operates and couldn't recover! It is like a radio station and needs to be right on the line or I lose the channel. Another hour later, I did air flow and deep breathing and some of the exercises from "Set your voice free".......and found the channel. Am I making sense to anyone??
Programming a relaxation response
In Silva Mind Control training, we were taught to program the "three fingers technique" when we need to be brought back to a certain state. You go to alpha (a relaxed state at 10 cycles per second brainwave) and program yourself that when you put your 3 fingers together - x will happen. It might be that you want to program yourself to relax instantly, speak fluently, use the airflow technique, etc. I am beginning to use this. If you don't understand the Silva method, find a Silva graduate and they will probably be glad to work with you.
Micki
Re: Programming a relaxation response
I have tried a couple of different things through hypnosis and NLP. They are somewhat helpful but not always.I have heard abot silva Mind control. I'll do a search to find silva techniques.
My problem is jsut so puzzling to me? I keep thinking if it is responding to these things it must be in my mind, and or my body too, like food allergies or something? The supplement have definitly helped.
Did you go to wrokshops? I have also wondered about bio feed back. Has anyone tried it?
Re: Programming a relaxation response
I took the Silva Method Mind Control course several years ago. Once you take it, you can repeat for life for a minimal seating fee (like $25). The course costs around $300 - $400. I think the one they are doing now is 16 hours (2 full days). When I took it it was 4 full days. They have biofeedback devices you can try and buy, tapes, etc. Many lecturers give a "free introductory lecture" so you can see what it is about and decide. They also have a money back offer if you aren't satisfied. At the end of the course, if you aren't satisfied, you don't accept your certificate and you don't get repeat privileges. The power of the mind is so awesome that many people are afraid to use it. The reason I think my problem is emotional is that because when I go to alpha (the relaxation state) and try to concentrate on the voice problem, I become very agitated and come out of level. I am now meditating for general relaxation and fringe issues.
Micki
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