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Posted by: kybutterfly ®
01/23/2006, 21:23:29


Botox really has not been the miracle I had expected but not giving up. Can someone please tell me what the time period is between injections. Nov. 18 I recieved 2.5 units in each cord. I had a breathy voice for up to 4 wks. then a little hoarse and now I feel that my voice is almost back to its old self. The breathy voice makes it almost impossible for me to communicate on the job but I still prefer it over the continual breaky voice. I would like to try a unilateral injection because I heard that most people were not as breathy and still had good results. Would love to hear some experiences of one cord injections compared to two cord injections. I expected more of botox but needed this period of relaxation and not having to worry about a breaky voice. Would appreciate any comments you might have. I will keep on fighting until something works for me. Thanks for the wonderful support. Beth SD



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Posted by: David Barton ®
01/23/2006, 22:21:11


Hello Beth

There are a lot of posts about unilateral injections in the archives. Click on 'Archives' near the top left of this page and then enter the phrase 'unilateral injection'.

I'll repeat a previous post of mine in here for your convenience. This method certainly works for me and some others - has the double benefit of lasting longer than bilateral injections and with less of the breathy voice. I get 10 units in the same cord each time and it lasts 6/8 months.

Good luck and please let us know how you get on!

David Barton (AD/SD, Auckland, NZ)

Interesting question about the difference between bilateral and unilateral Botox injections for AD/SD.

I dug up some material from the archives which I've included in here rather than type it afresh. All comments based on my personal patient experience only. To answer your specific question - what you are experiencing is fairly typical I think, but the voice should settle down a bit soon. Probably I'd leave it at least 10-14 days before coming to a definite conclusion about the success of the shot. I've had occasions where I thought the right spot had been missed, but my voice settled down later.

Your concern about the dosage level could be justified - usually a significantly higher dose is needed with unilateral injections compared to bilateral to produce a significant benefit.

A good starting point in discussing methods of injection is to note that we have 2 vocal cords - like many systems/organs in the human body - eg kidneys, legs, nostrils etc - we have these on both sides. The vocal cords produce 'voice' by moving across to the midline so that breath rising from the abdomen vibrates across the edge of the cords. In AD/SD this process goes wrong - the cords over-close inappropriately and cause the breaks and straining to force words out that we are familiar with.

In SD it is debatable as to whether the laryngeal dystonia (that's the underlying disorder that produces the voice we know as spasmodic dysphonia) affects the control of one vocal cord only, or both. It would make a good research study. However, in this answer I'll try to focus on approaches to treating the symptoms.

When Botox was first administered to patients the physicians injected both cords (this is termed 'bilateral' injections) to induce the deliberate semi-paralysis which helps minimise the spasms. Later on, some doctors noticed that a similar effect could be produced by only injecting one vocal cord (termed a 'unilateral' injection.

In a sizable number of AD/SD patients the effect of Botox given bilaterally is quite severe, and results in a lengthy period of aphonia (voicelessness) or close. Many patients describe this effect as 'breathiness' but it can be worse than that, as you have experienced, and as I did previously. In contrast to aphonia, breathiness is a soft, smooth, husky voice - difficult to project with any volume, especially over noise, and often a patient can only manage a few words before they have used up all their breath support, and have to breathe in to replace the wasted air. Hence the term 'breathiness' - it means needing frequent intakes of breath rather than difficulty in breathing when not talking.

Back to injection methods .....

In a unilateral injection what seems to happen is that by giving the shot in one cord only, the uninjected cord can still move across to the midline (so some volume) and the injected cord remains flaccid (so no spasms).

Some other points:

Another way of adjusting Botox injections to avoid aphonia or reduce breathiness is to lower the dose. Usually a first Botox shot is 2.5 units bilateral. This can be reduced down as far as 0.33 or 0.5 units - but in some cases (mine and others) there was still aphonia/breathiness, and the low dose meant the spasms returned too quickly - in weeks rather than months.

With unilateral injections the dose is higher (5, 7.5, 10, 12.5 units are typical - I get 10 and am thinking of reducing it to 7.5 next time)

Which cord is injected? It depends. I suppose a really expert doctor could analyze whether the SD is more apparent in one cord than the other, but usually it depends more on the anatomy (the vocal cords are not symmetrical in that one muscle is on top of the other near the front). I think most patients who get unilateral injections in the same cord each time have the right cord injected.

Should unilateral injections alternate between cords? Again, it depends. In my case I found doing left-right-left-right etc over a period of time meant that both cords were weakened and I was still too breathy - so I stick to one cord only - the right one.

My doctor spreads the Botox around ... injecting two sites in the one cord. This increases the chance of hitting the right spot.

Hang in there, and keep trying - there is a wide variation between patients, and even over time the underlying disorder can change, so it's not easy arriving at, and sticking with, the perfect Botox SD treatment method - in fact it doesn't exist - the SD is still there and so Botox produces, at its best, a serviceable and functional voice, not a flawless voice where you are never aware of difficulties.

David Barton (AD/SD, Auckland, New Zealand)




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Posted by: steveweiss ®
01/24/2006, 08:34:51


Have ADSD. After a few bilateral injections tried a unilateral injection in late October. Did not have the usual breathy voice but had a hoarse voice for a while, then went back to "baseline", then got a more normal voice for a while. Will probably need another injection within the next few weeks and will opt for either another unilateral injection or bilateral injections at a slightly reduced dosage. In summary, if you can't be in a position where you can't speak a unilateral injection is worth a try because you can still communicate after the injection even though your voice will not sound real good. Feel free to email me at steveweiss@att.net. with any specific questions.



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Posted by: dcruik518 ®
01/25/2006, 22:00:24


Dear David,

The way you've got it worked out sounds ideal. I haven't had a botox injection in about 8 years, because they just never seemed to work very well for me. But maybe a high dose unilateral injection would do the trick. It's got me thinking anyway. BTW, how severe is your SD. Mine was always fairly mild and it's gotten now where I'm able to hide it/control it well enough that most people don't notice anything.
~Dwight




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Posted by: David Barton ®
01/26/2006, 14:53:13


Hello Dwight

To answer your question about the severity of my SD, these days I would say 'mild to moderate'.

I have several theories about why it seems better than 10-15 years ago.

1 I have had around 40-45 Botox shots over 15 years. I suspect there is a cumulative effect, in a beneficial way.

2 I think the underlying disorder (laryngeal dystonia) is not always stable, and as well as plateauing in most cases, can ease off in others, or if you are unlucky, can intensify. In my case I think it has improved. 20 years ago it went into remission, but 5 years later, returned with a vengeance - so I'm not certain it will always be better.

3 Because the disorder involves muscle over-activity/over-reaction, I suspect the aging process assists. As you grow older you lose muscle tone - bad news for your stomach muscles etc, but if you suffer from SD maybe the spasms will not be as dramatic because your vocal cords are weaker.

4 I have reached a state of acceptance with my SD. I think that helps because my perception of the problems it causes me is not so negative.

5 I changed to a career with less voice use, and if you are removed from many problem situations you sense an improvement.

But I'm only speculating.

Best wishes

David Barton (AD/SD, Auckland, NZ)




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Posted by: dcruik518 ®
01/26/2006, 21:01:03


Thanks, David. :) Dwight



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Posted by: Nikki ®
01/24/2006, 14:39:04


Hello,

I receive 3 units in each cord 2 weeks apart, which makes me sort of bilateral and yet unilateral, but not really? My injections last for 3 months. I receive 3 units in the right v cord on one visit and then come back to the office in 2 weeks exact to get the left v cord injected. Reason being, so that I never really "lose my voice", keeping in mind that everyone reacts differently. So when i'm back to baseline I get my 1st injection. In 2-4 hours I can speak clearly with a little volume. Meaning I can go to work and take phone calls from patients and they can hear me very well. For 2 weeks I have a "good voice", a little breathy, with little volume, but a good voice. That injection has time to settle before going back in 2 weeks to get the other vocal cord injected. The day after the 2nd injection my voice begins to fall into the Mickey Mouse voice, which is good in a room with a normal fairly quiet setting. But once you are in a room filled with noise you can not project your voice over it. But i still have a voice at this time, for several weeks. Then of course the voice begins to become normal and so on.

This is just another option to consider. But after reading David's post, I'm wondering if I might try 6 units in one v cord; rather than 3 units per v cord because as of yet I am unable to pass the 3 month mark. Hmmmm....

Good Luck!
Nikki AD SD




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Posted by: kybutterfly ®
01/26/2006, 09:41:23


Would not say my SD/AD is sever but moderate. Sad to say I have allowed my mental state to become severe which only makes things worse. I had my botox injection in early November so will try and make and appointment for February. I will discuss a unilateral injection with my dr. I have this fear that when I tell her the results I have had with botox that she may say no to injecting more. I have come to far to give up now. I would love to keep a hoarse voice and wish there was another way to keep it. Thanks for the support everyone here gives. Be well, kybutterfly



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