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Posted by: ori20 ®
05/02/2008, 09:04:09


Hi, i'm trying to get medical insurance so i can finally go to a doctor and be diagnosed. I just don't know how botox shots are handled by most health insurance companies. Does anyone know if the shots are just part of regular visit to an specialist or if they charge them as they're a surgical procedure??? are they covered by a visit copayment??



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Posted by: Laurie ®
05/02/2008, 12:56:22


Hi, there,

This can be a tricky issue if you were not recently covered by health insurance. Any health insurance carrier you pick up may claim that your SD is a pre-existing condition. Overall, if it is determined to be a pre-existing condition you may not receive treatment for it under that insurance for anywhere from 6-12 months. This only applies to people who were not previously covered by another plan (i.e., if I were to switch jobs and health insurance right now, since I already have health insurance, any conditions I'm being treated for are covered).

Additionally, depending on the state in which you live and whether they have community rating and/or guaranteed issue laws (i.e., anyone who applies for health insurance is automatically accepted - New York has this law) you may have a rough time acquiring coverage if you have any medical conditions. And putting false information on an application can also run you into trouble.

If, however, by chance you are trying to get onto a spouse's policy and he/she works for a huge company, sometimes these restrictions about pre-existing conditions and exhorbitant costs won't apply.

As for coverage itself, botox is generally billed in 3-4 components:

1) The cost of the Botox itself: either by unit or for a whole vial ($100-$700)
2) The EMG
3) The "nerve surgery" or nerve block or chemodenervation of laryngeal muscle, injection, etc.

...and then possibly "durable medical equipment" which would be the cost for the EMG materials used. And in some rare instances, a laryngoscopy may be part of the procedure and that's also billed separately (but sometimes bundled w/ other services by insurance companies).

It's definitely not just "part of the regular visit."

The cost of Botox for SD can vary dramatically... anywhere from $700-$2500 depending on your MD, if it's in a hospital setting, unilateral v. bilateral injections, etc. Of course, most health insurance companies only pay a fraction of this and if the MD is on your plan it's accepted as full payment.

Co-payments, etc. will depend on your plan. If I see an in-network MD, my co-payment is $20. If I go out of network, there is a $500 deductible and then I'm also responsible for 20% of the bill. And in the case of going out of network, while some doctors will accept the insurance "rate" as full payment, they are not obligated to do so. So if the cost is $2500, your insurer pays $700... you are responsible for the rest. Bottom line is it makes more sense to see a physician on your plan.

Also, you need comprehensive health insurance that covers office visits and specialist visits. Treatment for SD would not be covered by what is commonly referred to as "major medical" insurance.

If you're trying to get coverage through a state or federal program, all these restrictions may not always apply.

Hope that's not too confusing. Sometimes too much information can be overwhelming but I know a lot about the industry so let me know if you have any questions.

Last... there are some MDs who will charge a flat/reduced fee to uninsured patients for Botox.

Good luck!

Laurie



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Posted by: lillygirl72 ®
05/02/2008, 14:55:56


I went through the whole nightmare of dealing w/insurance & botox the 2 times I tried it. The way our plan was set up, we had a $500 deductible for any outpatient surgery, & because the doctor's office where he adminitered the injections were in a hospital, this applied. So we had to pay $500 plus 10% of the total bill. I wanted to mention though, that I have heard that there is botox assistance available. I have never applied, but I am sure some of the other regulars on the bulitan board are probobly familiar with it. I would also do a search in the archives. Good Luck to you & kepp us posted.



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Posted by: caall1234 ®
05/07/2008, 10:02:30


I have health insurance and I just recently got my shots. I recently received a letter from my insurance company that my claim was denied. I have received botox shots for over two year and they have paid for the coverage. It stated that the doctor did not give
supporting medical information with his request. Without the appropriate supporting medical information my request for coverage is being denied. Does this mean the insurance will not cover the shots?



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Posted by: Laurie ®
05/07/2008, 12:46:32


Hi, there,

This generally means your MD's office will need to re-submit the claim with the supporting medical necessity info. You should call your MD's office to confirm this and get them to send additional information to the insurance company.

Laurie




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Posted by: caall1234 ®
05/07/2008, 12:58:09


Thanks, is that all they need. I thought maybe they were trying to
get out of covering me for that. This procedure is covered under
insurance plan?



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Posted by: Laurie ®
05/07/2008, 17:57:08


Hi, again,

Yes, it should be covered if they provide the rest of the information that the insurance co. wants. I know it's nerve wracking as I go through the same thing w/ my plan... out of nowhere they'll deny a claim and ask for more info. Then they pay it if the MD's office contacts them w/ the correct codes and/or documentation of medical necessity, diagnosis, etc.

Give your MD's office a call. They should be used to handling it. The good thing is your insurance said they needed the information and didn't outright say it's not covered.

Good luck,
Laurie




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Posted by: hoarse whisperer ®
05/04/2008, 16:53:19


If you've never been diagnosed and it's not in any medical records anywhere, then it shouldn't be considered a pre-existing condition. You may think you have it, but it takes a doctor to actually make the diagnosis.

Allergan, the makers of Botox, expanded their Patient Assistance Program to provide Botox at no charge to financially eligible patients who are either uninsured or underinsured. More information and applications are available on their website or by calling their hotline.

www.BotoxPatientAssistance.com
1-800-44-BOTOX

Good luck!

Lori
AB/SD and VCD since 2003
Dallas, Texas




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Posted by: spasdysian ®
05/08/2008, 01:52:11


Hi ori20,

My insurance company is Aetna. I have to pay 20% for in-network service. Here is a breakdown of charges (confusing:-)) for my 03/2008 doctor office visit which includes EMG, 6.25 units of BOTOX on one side.

[Hospital Incidentals] plan paid $380.03; I paid $67.07
[Hopistal Incidentals] plan paid $152.45; I paid $26.90
[Speech Therapy] plan paid $176.55; I paid $0.00
[Office Visit] plan paid $119.85; I paid $21.15
[Outpatient Surgery] plan paid $218.65; I paid $38.59

[Total] plan paid $1047.53; I paid $153.71

The BOTOX treatment turned out to be not as expensive as I had expected.




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Posted by: ori20 ®
05/09/2008, 08:02:29


Hi, thanks for the details. That's kind of what i wanted to see. Everyone has been very helpful but you know how confusing health insurance could be. Anyways, i was wondering the kind of plan you have, because when i called them, they say that speech therapy was not covered, the only way was for me to pay for deductible, and then they would cover a 100% of the bill, or at least that's what i understood.



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Posted by: spasdysian ®
05/10/2008, 02:58:04


Hi ori20,

I didn't actually receive any "speech therapy" per se. I was treated by a team - an ENT and a Speech Pathologist. They consulted each other when treating me. I guess the "Speech Therapy" charge was for the service provided by the Speech Pathologist.

My health plan is just a regular plan. Since I was treated at a big University Hospital, I guess the claim they submitted to insurance company was more "convincing/credible" and insurance company paid for them all.

For my first visit, there was a lady from billing department sitting in auditing the whole process. I guess the billing department wanted to make sure both ENT and Speech Pathologist were indeed needed in treating SD.

I think you can probably find out from dr office you are going to how charges will be submitted and how insurance company normally pays for their claims.

Good luck and like my doctor always tells me "Don't Give Up" :-)




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