Answer to Kristina on One's Greatest Asset


Posted by Joan Carole ® , Mar 09,2001,17:16   Archive
Thank you for your kind thoughts about how you see me. I know you meant well. Your posting hit a chord in me that I'm compelled to answer. Yes, I do have other assets besides my voice. What I said was that I lost my "greatest" asset when I lost my voice. I still don't have the quality voice necessary to be the girl or woman I once was. My entire life has changed. I know that SD has altered all of our lives, but each one's journey is a different path.

During my life, I've had the reputation of being a "communicator" through my work, through my songs, through my powerful voice. It was that voice that led me to be one of the top account managers in the last three companies I've worked. That voice was the key to afford me life's riches that became my lifestyle. As a singer, that voice gave me pleasure as an entertainer, giving pleasure to others through the music that I loved. That voice won me three television host jobs at three different TV stations, it gave me acting and commercial gigs, and a singing engagement in the S.F. Fairmont Hotel.

My doctors tell me that I will never sing again. I'm told by those same doctors that I will eventually have a good speaking voice that will be loud enough for me to work with people, hopefully in sales, the only type of work I've ever known. It's been five months since my surgery with Dr. Berke, and I had hoped to be back at work by now. I'm not averse to learning a new trade, but time is of the essence. I've gone through so much of my savings already.

Kristina, if a concert pianist loses his fingers, he would say he has lost his greatest asset. If a Olympic skater loses his legs, he/she would say they've lost their greatest asset. It's all relative. And until you've walked in another's moccasins, you cannot tell them to refocus their strengths and assets, for only they know who they are as told to them from their inner wisdom. There is no question that I have lost my greatest asset. It is the toughest challenge of my life to learn to live without the natural voice of my being, and to welcome and embrace the surgically created voice I now bear.

Maya Angelou said, "There are many incidents which can eviscerate the stalwart and bring the mighty down. In order to survive, the ample soul needs refreshments and reminders daily of its right to be and to be wherever it finds itself." I'm doing well, but as "every man moves to the sound of his own drummer," I still reserve the right to grieve for my lost voice until the time is right for me to move on.
-Joan


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Posted by john s. beeman ® , Mar 10,2001,18:22 Top of Thread Archive
Then you need to compensate. Move forward. If you cannot sing, teach others to sing. But it is not good to wallow in self pity or sorrow. It does not accomplish anything except fill your heart with sorrow.



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Posted by Joan Carole ® , Mar 12,2001,10:57 Top of Thread Archive
John - I'm surprised that my posting elicited such a dogmatic opinion from you. Your words, "wallow in self pity or sorrow" are very unfair. You missed my point. Every one of us deals with losing our voice in our own way. It is not for you or Kristina to tell me "to get a life." In no way do I pity myself. I have many gifts, for which I am very grateful. Every day I face the world with my limited voice, and every day I get stronger. Your suggestion that I should teach singing -- teachers need to teach by showing. I need to sing to teach singing, as a teacher needs to know math to teach math and a skiier must ski to teach skiing. I imagine there are some very gifted individuals who can teach without possessing that which they teach, but I'm not one of them.



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Posted by john s. beeman ® , Mar 16,2001,15:39 Top of Thread Archive
Joan - I regret that you viewed my comments as being solely directed at you. They were not. I've had SD for 13 years now. Like many, I spent several years being told it was psychological - not neurological. While I had confidence in my self - I knew it was not in my "head" - the constant suggestion by physicians took its toll. I am sure that I had periods of despair. I am sure I had periods when I asked God - "why me?" At some point, however, I recognized that it just wasn't going to change and that I needed to adapt and "move forward", with whatever talents and abilities I might possess.
I certainly have a greater appreciation for those who suffer handicaps - of any sort. My high school friend - suffering from polio - who climbed mountains, hills and bridges with me - certainly had great inner strength - I now realize how much it took to accomplish those physical feats. And although he could not walk or stand without crutches or braces (on each leg), he refused to bow to his handicap. Did he suffer bad days? Did he mourn his loss? I am sure he did. Did he accomplish much, move forward, succeed - in spite of his condition? He did.
My comments were directed at me, thee and others - a collective observation. At some point, we all must put the sorrow behind and do what we can with what we have. It was not my intention to offend you or anyone. I hope you will accept my explanation. John

p.s. My observation has been that some of the greatest teachers are those who are not very talented or who lack natural skills and abilities. In the end, that is for you to decide. It was only a suggestion.




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Posted by Narelle lehane ® (Narelle Lehane,Narelle lehane), Mar 13,2001,03:34 Top of Thread Archive

This is a bit harsh. I would hardly call Joan's reflection self-pity, and don't forget that this post was prompted by a very simplistic response to Joan's loss. And as for sorrow, the world is full of it, and "happiness" we create for ourselves, when we feel like it or have the opportunity. When we don't it's just fine to be sorrowful, it is part of the human condition after all, and it is what this BB is here to help (for this condition at least), hopefully through understanding.



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Posted by Joan Carole ® , Mar 14,2001,02:03 Top of Thread Archive
Narelle... thank you for your understanding. -Joan



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Posted by Barbara Oberholtzer ® , Mar 14,2001,09:06 Top of Thread Archive
Joan,
I know John's words seemed strong to you. I think John understands better than you think and is also speaking to himself. Being unable to work in his profession as an attorney even after surgery has been a long ordeal for him. He, like the rest of us hoped surgery would be the answer for us to be rid of the frustrations of all the daily ups and downs SD has dealt to us. He took a chance and so far, it has been disappointing and frustrating instead of the success we all want so badly. Dr. Berke says time is the main thing we need to give ourselves to heal. I am one of the lucky ones, my voice is the best it has been for 8 years although it is certainly not perfect and I hope for more improvement. I am lucky because my voice is not my career or my livelihood. I am thankful SD happened to me and not my husband who is a teacher and it would have been so much harder for him. I think John, me and all of us with SD understand your loss and know everyone has to deal in his or her own way. The other day, my husband came into our den where I was on the computer doing some research on carotid artery sugery. (My husband has had by-pass surgery and now the doctor is watching his carotid arteries since they have some narrowing). I was humming and he wondered why I was happy and humming while researching such a serious problem of his. I laughed and told him I had just discovered I could hum a little in tune and didn't want to stop since it had been so long since I had any resemblance of humming. I know he thought I was being a little silly but "you" guys would all understand. By the way, the doctor told my husband he didn't need surgery at this time and they would check him again in 6 months. We're still trying to figure out if this was good news or bad news. We decided not to worry about 6 months from now and enjoy today! Someone said, "We can't always control what happens to us, but we can control how we deal with it." I could be wrong, but I think that's what John meant by his post.
Barb



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Posted by Joan Carole ® , Mar 14,2001,02:06 Top of Thread Archive
Narelle... thank you for your understanding. - Joan



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Posted by Tatiana Faccini ® , Mar 11,2001,13:57 Top of Thread Archive
Joan,

I think we all in this BB fully understand and share the depth of your loss. You have the right to grieve, as we all do, but the longer you do it, the more it will continue hurting you. You are in a situation that you can't change now, but what you can do is choose how you will feel about it from now on. You had gifts most of us will never have, so I think you should be thankful for them. I believe God has a perfect plan in each of our lives and maybe He wants you to find other hidden treasures that you would have never looked for if you hadn't gone through this.

Steven R. Covey says:

"Difficult circumnstances often create paradigm shifts, whole new frames of reference by which people see the world and themselves and others in it, and what life is asking of them."
"We all have known individuals in very difficult circumstances, perhaps with a terminal illness or a severe physical handicap, who maintain magnificent emotional strenght. How inspired we are by their integrity! nothing has a greater, longer, lasting impression upon another person that the awareness that someone has transcended suffering, has transcended circumstance, and is embodying and expressing a value that inspires and ennobles and lifts life."


Hope this helps,

Tatiana.




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Posted by Joan Carole ® , Mar 12,2001,11:16 Top of Thread Archive
Tatiana,

Thank you for your kind words. I'm a big fan of Steven Covey and have read some of his books. My doctors tell me that my voice will come back, so I'm taking a while longer on disability to see if my voice will be strong enough for me to return to sales. If in a few months, that doesn't happen, then I will seek other career directions. In the meantime, I've been brushing up on my Word and Excell skills. I've also been very occupied as my brother's Caretaker. He is gravely ill with diabetes and unable to walk. He's been hospitalized over two months now and I visit him everyday. Communicating with my brother has been quite a challenge, since his hearing is poor and my voice is soft. I'm thankful I have the time to devote to him.




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Posted by Narelle lehane ® (Narelle Lehane,Narelle lehane), Mar 12,2001,06:26 Top of Thread Archive
Dear Joan,
I got SD when I was 17, and before that I sang in a choir, debated, talked far too much etc. It was heartbreaking to me to "lose" all of those things that brought such joy to my life and gave my future so much promise. I have, however, found that there was something else I had that was behind that voice of mine, and that was an outgoing and interesting person. I know it's hard to believe right now - it's taken me over 10 years, but that personality of yours will get you through. If sales is what you do, and communicating is your forte, then you will find a way - it may just not be quite the same. the force of your personality will help you to maintain your career and your lifestyle, i'm sure of it! Grieve for what you've lost but don't forget what you still have - a strong character can get you far as i'm sure you know. I understand the feeling of losing that "greatest asset", it must be devastating and I am not trying to play that down one bit - I hope you feel better soon and that your voice improves so you can get back into work and doing what you do well - i'm sure you will
All the very best,
Narelle



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Posted by Joan Carole ® , Mar 12,2001,11:53 Top of Thread Archive
Dear Narelle,

Thank you so much for your kind words. I was so sad to learn that you lost your voice at such a young age. I'm lucky that I had my voice for 59 years. Please know that I'm grateful for that. I'm sorry that people misunderstood what I wrote. In no way do I pity myself, nor am I wallowing in my sorrow. Far from it. I have an active life with my family, granddaughter and friends. I ski and go dancing often.

Most people think I'm 45 since I neither look or act my age. For this I'm grateful. I have a lot to be thankful for, and know that I have been blessed with many gifts. I do have the right to be sad that I lost my geatest gift. I do think some people misunderstand the word "grieve," thinking it's self-indulgent. But that which isn't fully grieved, cannot be released. Grieving is a healthy part of moving through a loss, whether it be the death of a loved one, the end of a relationship, or the loss of one's voice. If you don't go through this period, you can have difficulty later on in life.

Narelle, how is your voice today? What kind of work do you do, and how much do you use your voice in your job? Thank you again for you response. Best - Joan

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Posted by goly ® , Mar 14,2001,11:34 Top of Thread Archive

Dear Joan,
I understand! t is impossible to know and feel exactly what another human being is thinking and feeling. Because we have not walked in another person’s shoes and the total sum of their experiences is much greater than a single incident that we share in common on this BB.

People say to me that I should be thankful that I have not lost a limb, or my eye sight or something more vital! I say yes I am thankful. But loss of speech and ability to communicate is much greater than many understand. Our lives have been altered as a result of SD. It is with us with every breath and every utterance.

Many of us have been assertive, communicators and have been in leadership roles.

In your case your voice was your greatest asset and that led you to be one of the top account managers. And as a singer your voice brought you and people around you pleasure. You were able to share your art and your love through music and voice.


Learning a new trade is very difficult at our age. It is not impossible, but we wish we did not have to make that change. Because we all need money and it would be more fun to make money doing what we are good at and have been successful with in the past. So I do think it is a very difficult adjustment. For some of us a bigger challenge, depending on the severity of our case and the impact it has on our social and professional lives. You had mentioned Maya Angelou! did you know she did or could not speak for about five years............I think it was related to something different than we are dealing with. If I remember correctly it happened after she was raped as a young child by the boyfriend of her mother!

Any way, my reason for writing to you is to say I do understand and each of us has the right to grieve in our own pace. Grieving is a healthy process so long as we are in touch with where we are. It seems like you have a good balance of physical exercise and fun while being proactive.

I know that some of my friends and a few people on this BB may be wondering about why I am still searching for a cause and searching for a cure. Some may think I am still in denial or think I would be better off to accept my SD and realize there is no cure and move on. My answer is that I am moving....... on and my path of choice and it is different from the generally accepted way of dealing with this condition. And I still have hope!

So, What ever helps you deal with the loss is what you need to do. People mean well when the comfort us and share their ideas. I am thankful to those who respond to me, because it shows they care and they understand, and they try to be helpful and share their experiences and knowledge. I am glad we have each other on this BB.

Take care Joan. Goly




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Posted by goly ® , Mar 14,2001,11:35 Top of Thread Archive

Dear Joan,
I understand! t is impossible to know and feel exactly what another human being is thinking and feeling. Because we have not walked in another person’s shoes and the total sum of their experiences is much greater than a single incident that we share in common on this BB.

People say to me that I should be thankful that I have not lost a limb, or my eye sight or something more vital! I say yes I am thankful. But loss of speech and ability to communicate is much greater than many understand. Our lives have been altered as a result of SD. It is with us with every breath and every utterance.

Many of us have been assertive, communicators and have been in leadership roles.

In your case your voice was your greatest asset and that led you to be one of the top account managers. And as a singer your voice brought you and people around you pleasure. You were able to share your art and your love through music and voice.


Learning a new trade is very difficult at our age. It is not impossible, but we wish we did not have to make that change. Because we all need money and it would be more fun to make money doing what we are good at and have been successful with in the past. So I do think it is a very difficult adjustment. For some of us a bigger challenge, depending on the severity of our case and the impact it has on our social and professional lives. You had mentioned Maya Angelou! did you know she did or could not speak for about five years............I think it was related to something different than we are dealing with. If I remember correctly it happened after she was raped as a young child by the boyfriend of her mother!

Any way, my reason for writing to you is to say I do understand and each of us has the right to grieve in our own pace. Grieving is a healthy process so long as we are in touch with where we are. It seems like you have a good balance of physical exercise and fun while being proactive.

I know that some of my friends and a few people on this BB may be wondering about why I am still searching for a cause and searching for a cure. Some may think I am still in denial or think I would be better off to accept my SD and realize there is no cure and move on. My answer is that I am moving....... on and my path of choice and it is different from the generally accepted way of dealing with this condition. And I still have hope!

So, What ever helps you deal with the loss is what you need to do. People mean well when the comfort us and share their ideas. I am thankful to those who respond to me, because it shows they care and they understand, and they try to be helpful and share their experiences and knowledge. I am glad we have each other on this BB.

Take care Joan. Goly




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Posted by goly ® , Mar 14,2001,13:54 Top of Thread Archive

Dear Joan,
I understand! t is impossible to know and feel exactly what another human being is thinking and feeling. Because we have not walked in another person’s shoes and the total sum of their experiences is much greater than a single incident that we share in common on this BB.

People say to me that I should be thankful that I have not lost a limb, or my eye sight or something more vital! I say yes I am thankful. But loss of speech and ability to communicate is much greater than many understand. Our lives have been altered as a result of SD. It is with us with every breath and every utterance.

Many of us have been assertive, communicators and have been in leadership roles.

In your case your voice was your greatest asset and that led you to be one of the top account managers. And as a singer your voice brought you and people around you pleasure. You were able to share your art and your love through music and voice.


Learning a new trade is very difficult at our age. It is not impossible, but we wish we did not have to make that change. Because we all need money and it would be more fun to make money doing what we are good at and have been successful with in the past. So I do think it is a very difficult adjustment. For some of us a bigger challenge, depending on the severity of our case and the impact it has on our social and professional lives. You had mentioned Maya Angelou! did you know she did or could not speak for about five years............I think it was related to something different than we are dealing with. If I remember correctly it happened after she was raped as a young child by the boyfriend of her mother!

Any way, my reason for writing to you is to say I do understand and each of us has the right to grieve in our own pace. Grieving is a healthy process so long as we are in touch with where we are. It seems like you have a good balance of physical exercise and fun while being proactive.

I know that some of my friends and a few people on this BB may be wondering about why I am still searching for a cause and searching for a cure. Some may think I am still in denial or think I would be better off to accept my SD and realize there is no cure and move on. My answer is that I am moving....... on and my path of choice and it is different from the generally accepted way of dealing with this condition. And I still have hope!

So, What ever helps you deal with the loss is what you need to do. People mean well when the comfort us and share their ideas. I am thankful to those who respond to me, because it shows they care and they understand, and they try to be helpful and share their experiences and knowledge. I am glad we have each other on this BB.

Take care Joan. Goly




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