Hello All,
I am new to SD and was pleased to find this forum for bringing together people who have interest in learning more about the experiences of others with SD. I was diagnosed with SD recently and have been researching the internet to educate myself. One of the things that I am trying is to understand its cause (although I know that it has yet not been discovered) and to discover treatment alternatives for SD.During my search I found a website - URL in subject heading - about a Dr. Cooper who feels that SD may be alleviated with the use of breathing rehabilitation. I am curious if anyone of you has information on this or experiences directly with Dr. Cooper?
Best Regards,
Nisha
Dr. Cooper Works for Some
Hello Nisha,Welcome to the National Spasmodic Dysphonia bulletin board (BB). You will learn much, if you stay tuned. There have been several past discussions about Dr. Cooper, some recently, that you can research by going back on this BB. Many of the comments have been negative because the majority of the people on this BB are working with doctors who have a different etiology about SD, than does Dr. Cooper. Therefore, many people disregard his accomplishments. I personally worked with Dr. Cooper in the first six months of acquiring SD. His surprisingly simple voice techniques work! I got my voice back in three days. That beautiful voice, which I thought was a miracle at the time, lasted for ten days, then it slowly slipped back into the SD pattern. There were reasons why my voice didn't hold. I had gone back to my stressful job as an Inside Telephone Sales rep. I was on the phone non-stop eight hours a day. Also, I had just moved into a newly constructed home and was being poisoned by the neuro-chemicals from the construction. So I was feeling lousy most of the time. There was little time for me to keep up Dr. Cooper's rigorous voice exercise regimen. When I first returned home, I did the exercises two and three hours a day, before and after work. The exercises are tedious and boring, but those who can endure the task have maintained their voices. I have met them. Dr. Cooper locates on the musical scale where you should be talking, and he places your voice in the mask, that is in the area around you upper lip and nose. If you are speaking correctly, you should feel a buzz in this "mask" area. Subsequently, I did a radio show with Dr. Cooper and he was able to bring my voice back up, but the SD was winning by then and my voice never went back to being healthy. Six months later, I talked like the "monster from the deep" and opted for Dr. Berke's surgery. I just had my six months checkup and the new nerve is healing very well (I'll write more soon on the BB about that visit soon). After seeing Dr. Berke, I stopped by to see Dr. Cooper. He said that the surgery has created a very breathy voice. He doesn't think my cords are closing all the way on some of the vowels yet. He offered to work with my new surgically created voice when I was ready. I told him that I would wait a few months to give more time for the healing process. Dr. Cooper has worked with several of Dr. Dedos patients, whose voices had become almost inaudible after surgery. I have heard them after Dr. Cooper helped them through his techniques to regain good voices. He has also worked with Dr. Berke's patients after surgery. At this writing, I do believe that I will be limited vocally, due to the surgery. However, the bottom line is that I can speak clearly and be understood, which is why I went for the surgery. When I say limited vocally, I'm comparing it to the voice I was born with. I was a professional singer and TV host. And my voice was my most important tool in my successful sales career. All these vocal functions are gone now. I do think that my voice will get louder than it is right now, but I also think I will always be limited in what I can do with it. I plan to work again with Dr. Cooper since I do believe he can help me again. He will not be able to get back the virgin voice that SD destroyed and surgery altered, but I believe that he can enhance the one I have. I would highly recommend Dr. Cooper to anyone who has a serious voice problem and may be contemplating surgery. The fact that I couldn't hang on to what he taught me, doesn't mean that you can't. Brian Foxly is just one of the people that has been very successful working with Dr. Cooper. Names are available if anyone is interested. I think the bottom line here is that anyone of us would prefer getting our voices back without botox or surgery, if we had that choice. Dr. Cooper offers you a non-invasive choice. And if it sticks with you, you don't have to go back for another shot, or live the rest of your life with a surgically altered voice. Thanks for listening. -Joan --modified by Joan Carole at Mon, Apr 23, 2001, 13:49:27 --modified by Joan Carole at Mon, Apr 23, 2001, 13:59:59
Re: Dr. Cooper Works for Some
Hi Joan,I have heard and spoke with Dr. Cooper over the telephone a long time ago and he sent me a video of his work. However, I have and still am skeptial about this working as I have been through speech therapy on several occassions. I was talkt the sounding out of vowels and voice exerices as well as breathing technics. I did have some results out of this, but not alot. I have been without my voice now for almost 6 months and it has now reverted back to spasms. I am considering Dr. Berke's surgery and I have heard great things about it helping folks. After reading on the BB I am becoming somewhat against having surgery, but I still think it may be the best option for me. As my life has been distroyed with ADSD for 17 years now. Is it really worth while to consider this surgery? Will my voice never be normal again? I am affraid, but am willing to take the change if it will stop the spasms, botox injections, symptons, etc. It is almost worth it to stop people from asking me "If I AM ALRIGHT"? Or calling me a pervert, etc. Have you regained your voice yet? How was the surgery? Is it painful? Any advise would be appreciated. Thanks, Jan
Re: Dr. Cooper Works for Some
Thanks for sharing Joan. I am not sure what I want to try at this point. Currently I am just trying to get educated on the alternatives and then come up with a plan of action. It helps to read experiences of others on this forum.
Regards,
Nisha
Re: www.voice-doctor.com
Nisha,Dr. Morton Cooper, PhD, is a Speech Language Pathologist in Southern California. Laryngeal Dystonia ("Spasmodic Dysphonia" - which is extremely difficult to diagnose, even by the experts, as there are so many "similar" dysphonias which *mimic* SD) is a neurological and medical disorder. Thus, a neurological-disorder is treated by a medical doctor. I was at the Michigan Spasmodic Dysphonia Symposium (NSDA) last month in Detroit; and, even with years of experience attending conferences and researching SD, I was *blown away* that SD cannot be fully and accurately diagnosed by the SD-medical-experts of MANY years. In 2001? Sometimes, even the experts cannot tell the difference between "remission" and an incorrect diagnosis or the difference between SD and MTD and other dysphonias ("Dysphonia" means you have a problem with speaking...with no causal implications). It might help you, Nisha, to do a SEARCH on this Bulletin Board (which is inhabited by some intelligent, experienced SD patients) on subjects which interest you. Also, pay attention to people like Joan Carole (who has already responded to you) re their experiences with the subject you surfaced. Experienced patients give great information. You dropped in to the best source on Spasmodic Dysphonia. Patients who have "been there and done it" over many years, with all of our varying experiences. We SD'ers (on this BB) have between one and 30-years of experience with all kinds of docs and treatment methods. Good luck on your own case and treatment. Welcome to the SD-BB. --Lynne
Re: www.voice-doctor.com
Lynne,
Thanks for taking the time to respond to me. I have a very important question that you touched upon. SD seems to be hard to diagnose so how is it that people on this BB or otherwise come to know or feel that indeed they do have SD? Was it just time and failure of other techniques to help that led to belief in having SD? I will read everything on this BB, but if you have anything to add to this I would really appreciate it.
Regards,
Nisha
Re: www.voice-doctor.com
Another very good question from you, Nisha. Please feel free to write me on my private e-mail. Alot of *knowing things* (diagnosis and/or patients' experiences) just comes from doing it for SO many years. You get a "feel" after you do all the research and meet many patients and talk to many doctors. That's why this BB is so valuable. You meet us all in one place and we can share alot with you.David Barton did an excellent job recently in reporting on the events and SD-doctors' presentations in Michigan. I hope you saw his comprehensive report. You would get alot of information from it. However, there were 150+ patients in attendance at the William Beaumont Hospital in Royal Oak, Michigan a month ago today; and, obviously, we all did "selective listening" (as humans do) to the information most important to us. One of the things that hit me hard is, with these esteemed and VERY-experienced SD doctors, diagnosing SD still can be "an art" as well as a science ~ in other words, not perfect. As an example, I have a "classic case" of severe AD-SD (this means "easy to dx by an experienced doc because I meet all the criteria" ~ history and symptoms are SO clear), yet I had to dx myself in 1994 after four years of treatment and non-diagnosis by voice professionals. Other patients may have *mixed-cases* of AB-AD-MTD and other things and, even the most experienced docs struggle with a clear diagnosis when the symptoms are not as clear as mine were. The "SD-Adventure" I call it. It is neither the doctor's nor the patient's fault as the *BRAIN* tends to be complicated (all that grey matter doing different functions) and defy the experts' attempts at defining it. True-SD originates in the brain. Other disorders are confused with it because some things that look (sound) like SD do not originate in the brain. Thanks for starting a good thread and write me on my e-mail. Good luck. --Lynne
Re: www.voice-doctor.com
Nisha,It may be worth it to contact this guy, Dr. Cooper. I did months ago. I got the impression he was less than sincere and only interested in his financial well being. He seemed high pressure and was putting "patients" on the line which to me seemed like a hard sell. I may be wrong. Maybe it is just me. Maybe it is his yankeeness. I don't know but I was not at all impressed. I told him I do not live in California and asked for referral. He said in a condesending manner "there is noone that does what I do". Hmm. I was thinking Take a hike buddy. Yeh, I can take off work for weeks at a time and pay your outrageous fees to make you fat while I speculate on my well being". All I can say is call him and get your own take.
Re: www.voice-doctor.com
It wasn't "just you," Robert.
Response to Shipway's take on Cooper
Please see my response below to Robert Shipway's message. It's buried between Neurontin and Abductor SD. For some reason, it's not in the thread, and it's an important addon to the subject. Thanks, Joan.
--modified by Joan Carole at Tue, Apr 24, 2001, 18:26:00
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