Please help! Would like more information about Burke's surgery in L.A.


Posted by Jacqui Gross ® , Jun 24,2001,01:41   Archive
I'm new to the BB and it seems to be a REALLY great resource for information on SD. I have had SD for almost 17 years and I have taken botox for 11 years. I am currently having success with botox but I would love to have a normal voice (smooth and with volume) without botox. I've heard about Dr. Burke's surgery in LA. and would love any help I can get in getting answers to my questions. Some things I would like to know about the surgery are: 1) Is it a surgery that should be done only if you don't respond to botox treatments? 2) What exactly is the recovery process like? voice, swallowing other problems or after effects I should know about? 3) Does your voice go back to a normal volume? How long does it take? 4) What are the risks involved? I would love to hear from anyone that knows anything about the surgery and the procedure, especially those former patients who've had the surgery. My big concern is the recovery process and the results afterwards. Thanks so much!!



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Re : Please help! Would like more information about Burke's surgery in L.A. --- Jacqui Gross
Posted by Jan Joiner ® , Jun 24,2001,13:27 Top of Thread Archive
Hi Jacqui,

Welcome to the NSDA bulletin board. First let me say I have had ADSD for 17 years and have taken Botoxium Toxin - Type A Injections from 1998 until February of 2001. I decided to have Dr. Berkes' surgery and had it on June 12th of 2001. I am still in the recovery period, so can't say much about that, except for what I've been through thus far. I am 39 years old and develops SD in my early 20's. I was an Admin. Exec. Secretary for 12 years and tried so hard to keep my job, but was not able to do so because the spasms and my voice got so bad.

You ask was this surgery something they do on folks who are not successful with Botox. No, no true. I think a lot of folks have had this surgery because the botox became ineffective, however a lot of them had it because of the ups and downs of the side effects of Botoxium Toxin. As for me Botox did stop working effective for me and I was tired of the roller coaster ride of the injections and all the side effects. And because SD has already destroyed over 1/2 of my life so, I decided to give it a try. The Surgery takes a while to get over as with any surgery. Some say a year or so others sooner, it is truly hard to say. I was told by Dr. Blumin and Dr. Berke that I was the perfect candidate for this surgery and that I should be able to regain my voice within 3 to 6 months after surgery. It is a major surgery and there are sacrifices that must me made, however I truly believe that it will be well worth the efforts. After surgery there are some difficulties in swallowing etc., but no worse than with Botox in my opinion. Well, allow me to back up a bit and say it is a bit worse, because the muscles and nerves are severed and retied and must allow time for them to reinnervate and heal properly. The main problem is regaining the ability to eat solid foods. You must eat only soft pureed foods for a period of 2 weeks to 1 month. They give you a powder stuff called Thick-It that allows you to thicken your liquid drinks and foods to a honey consistency which allows you to be albe to swallow without choking. So, all in all it is not something that cannot be tolerated, but is difficult.

Any other information I can provide you regarding the surgery, I'd be more than happy to help you, but as with all of us, this must be a discussion of your on making. Please feel free to e-mail be privately if you would like with any questions you may have. I truly did a through search before having this surgery myself and I would expect anyone else to do this as well. It will just help you the more you learn to be able to make the right decision. Regards, Jan




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Posted by Barbara Oberholtzer ® , Jun 24,2001,15:27 Top of Thread Archive
Jan,

Curious about only eating soft, pureed foods after surgery. I was never told this and told I could eat and do whatever I felt like after my surgery. I was eating pretty much what I wanted after the first week. I did eat a lot of Dinty Moore Beef Stew which tasted really good to me and was easy to swallow. I took it easy the first week simply as a precaution on my own, I had no soreness or difficulty swallowing solid foods. I really had very little trouble with choking on liquids after a few days. I did use "Thicken" for about 10 days until I forgot to put it in lemonade and discovered I didn't need it after all. We are all different in our recoveries but just curious if Dr. Berke and staff told you to stay on a soft food diet? Sounds like you are doing well. Barb




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Posted by Jan Joiner ® , Jun 25,2001,12:47 Top of Thread Archive
Barbara,

That is so strainge. Yes, Dr. Blumin and the nurses at the hospital told me to stay on a soft diet and that I'd be able to eat normal foods after about two weeks or a month.

I guess maybe it was because I was having difficulties getting liquids down and was nausea after my surgery. They said the nausea was due to the antisethia. I was just not tolorating liquids and such to good. Almost everyone I have talked to had difficulty in swallowing liquids and problems with phelgm and getting choked. I don't know maybe it was due to my case history or something.

However, I am doing good. I still can't eat normal foods yet. I eat oatmeal, pudding, potato soup, baked potatoes, chicken and dumpling soup and am adding to that each day. I finally got a little meat down. It was some slow cooked tender chicken wings that where BBQ'd. Boy oh Boy was that ever good.

I have not had much pain at all. Just a little discomfort, but nothing like I thought it would be. I try to rest when I need to and take it slow. I don't want to push things too much. I want to be able to regain my voice. That is my dream, hope and prayer. Regards, Jan




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Posted by Lloy K. ® (L. Keeling,Lloy K.), Jun 25,2001,13:27 Top of Thread Archive
Hello, Jacqui
I'll add my welcome to the BB along with those sent your way already. Although I don't write very often, I do read the board daily and find it very helpful.

I had Dr. Berke's surgery in April 2000. At my one year check-up, my cords were found to be 100% reinnervated. I am very happy with my voice although it does not sound the same as pre-SD. My voice is softer and lower, however, it is strong enough that I have agreed to teach a Surgical Tech. class at Loma Linda University this coming fall. That is a huge improvement for me!

I had only one Botox shot prior to the surgery and that didn't help me at all. Even if it had helped, I just didn't want to face having to have this procedure for the rest of my life.

I did experience trouble swallowing liquids for about a month after the surgery. Thicker fluids and a soft diet worked well during this period of time. I found it easier to swallow if I bent my head forward.

It took about 4 or 5 months after the surgery before I could project my voice loudly enough to be heard in a noisy room. I am now at the point where folks who do not know about my previous speech problems are totally unaware that anything is wrong.

As with all surgical procedures there are risks involved. Drs. Berke or Blumin will be careful to spell all that out for you if you are interested in having the procedure. There is also a great deal of information on this BB posted by many of us who have had the surgery. Some of us have had wonderful results, and others are less pleased. This is a decision you will have to make on your own.

If you would like to hear my voice for yourself, email me privately, and I will be happy to give you my telephone number.


Best of luck with your research.
Lloy Keeling (RN)




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Posted by john s. beeman ® , Jun 26,2001,07:56 Top of Thread Archive
If you've searched the BBS, you know that some patients of Dr. Berke have experienced difficulty in the recovery. I am coming up on 13 months since my surgery. I do not have a normal voice. When I went to UCLA, I was told that all of Dr. Berke's patients had recovered their voices but one patient had spasms return. I assumed that I could go back on botox if the surgery failed to eliminate the spasms.
I never expected not to get my voice back. I'm still waiting. The outer aspect seems to be 18 months. If I don't have my voice back by then, further surgery may be required. So the point is there is a risk that you should contemplate. My suggestion is that you figure out how things might go if you could not talk for 1 year. How would you handle that? It would make the recovery easier, I think. Hope this helps
"round out" the info you get. John





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Posted by doris st. clair ® , Jun 26,2001,08:19 Top of Thread Archive
John, when you say you don't have a normal voice since surgery does that mean that you have the same voice that you had before surgery, or that it's not as good as before? I can just imagine your disappointment. Maybe it just takes longer in some cases.

My best to you, Doris




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Posted by john s. beeman ® , Jun 26,2001,12:10 Top of Thread Archive
Doris - I have sort of a low level "growl" voice. It's difficult to describe. Some people think I'm an obscene phone caller! I continue to hope for the best. Thank you. John



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Posted by Lylia Bennett ® , Jun 26,2001,15:34 Top of Thread Archive
John, I am hoping for the best for you as well. Lylia B.



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Posted by Lib Haywood ® , Jun 27,2001,13:41 Top of Thread Archive
Jacqui, I posted a reply on the surgery under Rosanne O'Reilly's name above. Please read and e-mail me if I can answer any other questions.



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Posted by Kristina Gomez ® , Jul 01,2001,02:05 Top of Thread Archive
Hi Jacqui. Glad that you found us. You will learn a ton by reading this BB, I wish that it were here when I was diagnosed a few years ago, would have saved me so much time and effort to gather information and meet people!
I had Dr. Berke's surgery 3 years ago, and am ecstatic to say that I no longer exhibit any symptoms of SD, have good volume and inflection. People I meet can't tell that I have ever had a vocal abnormality. I can't begin to express how nice it is to no longer have people remark upon my voice, to no longer be set apart from the crowd as a result of my "distinctive" voice.
Most doctors will tell you that they try the least invasive forms of treatment first. So Botox is the first line of defense in treating SD. The surgery is a wonderful, permanent option for treatment for SD, but it shouldn't be taken lightly, it is major surgery and it will take months to recover a usable voice.
The recovery process is long and disheartening. There is nothing that you can do to speed your recovery, and that is quite frustrating. I have been able to achieve normal volume, I can yell, cheer, shout, whatever. It took probably a year and a half before I was able to have full control of my voice, where it was no longer going through any changes (i.e., gaining strength). After I gained the volume back, then had to practice with inflection, and getting some emotion into my voice, and then it was trying to un-learn the bad habits I had started when having SD. Shortening my sentences, saying words that I thought I could phonate rather than those that expressed what I meant. Those were hard for me to undo, I think that when I became pregnant everything I ever learned was wiped from my brain. Well, at least I'll blame it on pregnancy, they say pregnant ladies become forgetful. I used to have a wonderful command of the English language, and after not using an extensive/diverse vocabulary for over 5 years, have found that I have lost it. Nothing that a bit of reading can't fix, though.
The risks involved are the same as with any major surgery, you are under general anesthetic for over 4 hours so must be in good health. We have recently learned of a few men who haven't had much success in getting their voices back. I have not heard of any complaints to that sort with women, and by my calculations, probably 190-195 out of 200 people have been happy with their surgery (I haven't been able to find 10 people not happy with their results, I might be able to scare up 5).
For me, it's been a life-changing decision, and as a result of what I have endured with the SD and the surgery I feel I am a better person because of it. I understand people with disabilities now, having been one of them.
If you have any questions that I can help you with, feel free to write me.
Best wishes,
Kristina Gomez

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