Job Interview+Being Upfront about SD?
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Posted by: Joan Lownds ®

12/26/2002, 14:43:20

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I have Spasmodic Dystonia, and as a result, my job interviews for a teaching position have not been going well. One of the principals asked someone I knew, "What's wrong with her voice?" (it gets worse under stress, and job interviews are very stressful for me)Should I be upfront about it and just say I have SD? Any suggestions? It is a relief to finally know I have it, though. I always thought it was just stress, nerves, etc. Thanks,

Joan






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Re: Job Interview+Being Upfront about SD?
Re: Job Interview+Being Upfront about SD? -- Joan Lownds Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: David Barton (NZ) ®

12/26/2002, 15:27:10

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Hi Joan - you're right - it's a huge relief to know that what is going on with your voice is real, and has a physical (neurological) cause -not just nerves!. It's also helpful to know that here you are 'talking' to people who understand.

In a job interview I think I would be upfront about my voice first, so that after you have explained, briefly, what is going on, the others can focus on what you are saying, not how you are saying it. But it's not easy.

I used to be a teacher, and had to give it up due to SD. I was lucky - other doors opened for me. The SD was more of a problem for me when communicating with my ex-colleagues than it was with students.

David Barton (AD/SD, Auckland, NZ)







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Re: Job Interview+Being Upfront about SD?
Re: Re: Job Interview+Being Upfront about SD? -- David Barton (NZ) Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: krissie ®

12/26/2002, 15:48:12

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There are those of us who are not so fortunate. If I ring about a job I am always told it has gone and also told how ill I sound.

If I fill in an application form when I get to the bit that says have you a disablity and put "yes" I have vocal disorder I never hear from them again.

I have had no income for 14 months or disability either.

I do not share your optimism.






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Re: Job Interview+Being Upfront about SD?
Re: Job Interview+Being Upfront about SD? -- Joan Lownds Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Linda Spain ®

12/26/2002, 16:31:00

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Joan,

Please let me share three points with you:

1. My career has often put me in the posititon of conducting interviews and making hiring recommendations and decisions. From my perspective, I suggest you begin your interview by saying "Before we start, please let take a moment to explain that I have a voice disability. If I'm difficult to understand, please just ask me to repeat." This way, the interviewer can focus on your content rather than attending to wondering about your voice. It also demonstrates self confidence. If the interviewer asks about your condition, answer all questions honestly and to the best of your ability. You may even want to invite the interviewer to ask questions.

2. My job also requires me to deal frequently with people I've not met previously. In those conversations, too, I start by saying I have a disability and will appreciate being told if I need to repeat. Usually, I even make a joke about my voice to put the other person completely at ease. The point here is that I regularly do what I'm suggesting you do, so I can vouch that it can work just fine.

3. Remember to phrase so that the burden is yours, not the other person's - e.g. say "if I'm difficult to understand" rather than "if you can't understand me."

I know it's tough, but try to be comfortable and make the other person comfortable. People hire folks they like provided that qualifications are met. If you mention your situation upfront, the interview may also be less stressful for you and your performance will improve as a result.

Best regards,

Linda

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Re: Job Interview+Being Upfront about SD?
Re: Re: Job Interview+Being Upfront about SD? -- Linda Spain Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Joan Lownds ®

12/26/2002, 17:31:03

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Thank you all very much. I appreciate your input.

Joan






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Re: Job Interview+Being Upfront about SD?
Re: Job Interview+Being Upfront about SD? -- Joan Lownds Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Barb Meteyer ®

12/26/2002, 19:27:03

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My brief experience of having SD (diagnosed in Summer, 2002)and teaching high school special education students, has been one I never could have predicted. I have been up front with my principal, the parents, my collegues, and most especially, the students. I have received 99% understanding from all. I believe that when you are honest and upfront about your SD, you are not only educating those who will be interviewing you, but you are clearing the air of questions about your voice that otherwise could have layed dormant. Additionally, assure them at this time that your SD will not hamper students' ability to learn, but may enhance it. This is a decision you'll have to be totally comfortable with, since the interview committee cannot ask you point blank what's wrong with your voice.

I believe most school districts attempt to have a diverse population among the staff they hire. They will hire you because of your ability to sell your professional skills. Good luck!







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What do you mean, "Upfront"?
Re: Job Interview+Being Upfront about SD? -- Joan Lownds Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Richard Callen ®

12/31/2002, 06:46:49

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Why do all you people use the term "upfront"? Do you have something you're ashamed of? (As opposed to being embarrassed about). If so, why? You apparently have a neurological condition.



Best of luck to everyone here.




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Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"?
Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"? -- Richard Callen Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Linda Spain ®

12/31/2002, 07:46:48

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Dear Richard,

I can't speak for "all you people," but speaking for myself, my use of the term "up front" meant at the beginning of the interview.

To answer your next direct question, my having SD is not a source of either shame or embarrassment. The issue is only that SD is rare so a brief explanation is useful to keep a listener focused on content. It also is a kindness to the listener so he can be comfortable with asking for repetition. Perhaps we travel in different circles, but less than 1% of the people I meet find it "apparent" that I have a neurological condition.

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Linda







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Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"?
Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"? -- Richard Callen Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: John Brenner ®

12/31/2002, 14:23:47

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Richard,

I have a different thought to bring up about being upfront.

My SD is mild compared to most. My voice sounds different and often times just not clear or that I have a cold. I once tried to be upfront with a recruiter on a day that my voice was not that good and she looked at me like I was strange for bringing it up.

My advice is to be honest if asked about your voice, BUT don't assume that it is going to be a problem. Be as prepared as you can for your interview (prepared answers might help to overshadow voice problems).

If someone has a cold should they bring that up in an interview or just proceed as you normally would?

If public speaking is not going to be a big part of the job that you are interviewing for, then I say let the interviewees determine if your voice is a problem or not.

Bring up SD without being asked is the same to me as listing weaknesses without being asked. The job market is tight enough right now, I don't believe that we SD'ers have to make it any tougher on ourselves then we have to.

Remember most employers (and insurance companies) don't consider SD a disability. Therefore, I say don't be the one to mention it unless it is impacting your performance in the interview.

Good luck.

John

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Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"?
Re: Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"? -- John Brenner Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Linda Spain ®

12/31/2002, 16:20:57

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Dear John,

I concur with you that the severity of one's SD is a factor an individual may want to consider in making his choice of if or not to mention it. However, I respectfully disagree with you that bringing it up is tantamount to assuming it is a problem or that SD is a weakness.

Regards,

Linda







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Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"?
Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"? -- Richard Callen Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Lloyd Pearson(BC) ®

12/31/2002, 14:29:39

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I agree with Linda - it's not a case of being ashamed or embarrassed about our SD - it's a case of being upfront about a medical condition which undoubtedly will have some affect on our job performance in the work environment.

Oh yes, our heart might be there 100% for the job, our brain will be there 100%, our hands and feet generally work pretty good - the reality is that our voice will not be there a full 100%, especially in jobs that require us to work in noisy environments or be on the telephone for many hours, or give oral presentations or teach. This is the reality, and I think, in my opinion, that we owe it to our prospective employer to be upfront with them. In return, if they have any sense of fairness, they will thank us for our honesty and integrity and strive to help us deal with our disability in the workplace.

Lloyd Pearson(BC) AD/SD Canada







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Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"? - And "Honest"?
Re: Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"? -- Lloyd Pearson(BC) Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Richard Callen ®

12/31/2002, 15:14:58

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Is there anyone here more cognizant of their own feelings, and so more understanding of English usage, than the last three posters? Yet I know more so will respond, believing they have so much to let go of. My compliments, Linda, John and Lloyd, and my very best wishes, I stand at your side in any event.



Richard Callen







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Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"? (employment , with SD)
Re: Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"? -- Lloyd Pearson(BC) Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Lynne Martinez ®

12/31/2002, 18:20:10

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Right, Lloyd.

In the 12 years I've had SD, and meeting hundreds of SD'ers in person, we're all pretty smart. However, as Joan has indicated "getting a job"...and "continuing employment" is often our Number One issue.

Much depends on how severe our individual case is. As a career software development manager in a huge corporation, I did heavy-duty vocalization about 7 to 10 hours a day (negotiation, representing my employees and my numerous software projects, etc). When the severe SD hit, that was no longer possible. Result was the "career-loss" I've described many times on this BB over several years.

After my vocal (RLN) surgery 7 years ago, I went back to work in Corporate America (in my career field, but as an analyst, rather than a technical manager). At that point, I could easily say..."I only have one vocal cord, so if you can't hear me, please ask me to repeat." I got alot of support from some employers, but not from other prospective employers. People still passed judgment on me. Wouldn't you know it (life's ironies?), with strong technical skills but little vocal-power, I have to sell myself harder than ever before, and that's very hard on the voice. Always had to interview for 10 positions (at least), just to get one. Always got every job I wanted, prior to SD. Whew!...All this "selling ourselves" is difficult on the vocal system.

Alot of us SD'ers deal with this syndrome, to gain employment.

I had one employer for 22 years (prior to developing SD) and have had 11 (eleven) since, and now can't work at all, due to SD. It's very difficult, managing employment with SD. Some employers are amenable to vocal issues. Many aren't. So many employers pass judgment, if one doesn't "sound good." It's always important to find *the right one* (a match) and I sure hope it works for Joan. With vocal issues, an employment match is much more difficult to find.

It's important to be upfront on-the-job, to the extent needed. If somebody has a mild-case of SD, almost no explanation in a job interview is necessary. Revealing our vocal disorder (to the extent we have it) is always a balance. It's a matter of education of the folks around us also. I hope Joan, and everyone, tells people that just because our (her) voice isn't always the best....we still have skills and our intelligence hasn't failed.

Happy New Year to all of us! We deserve a break, and a great 2003.

--Lynne (AD/SD; Northern California)







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Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"? **(employment , with SD)**
Re: Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"? (employment , with SD) -- Lynne Martinez Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Richard Callen ®

12/31/2002, 22:42:53

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It is a tragedy that so many SD sufferers who are doctors, lawyers and high ranking officers of "Corporate America" have trouble with job interviews and in getting jobs so they can pay the bills. Well gee whiz fellas and ladies, maybe you can get jobs that don't require a great deal of speaking or communications skills. I can think of many, such as Porter, Taxi Driver, Home Care Attendant, etc, etc. If you are able to pass the civil service exam, you might be able to work for the Post Office like I did before I retired. So my heart goes out to you and also to those who can see through the fog from a slightly different point of view. (Please speak up. Let's hear from those who tend to remain silent. I'm listening, for one).



Richard Callen - SD/AD







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Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"? **(employment , with SD)**
Re: Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"? **(employment , with SD)** -- Richard Callen Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: will blum ®

01/01/2003, 01:43:01

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I know a schoolteacher with SD in her 40’s or 50’s who tried to get disability. She was told that she could get a job parking cars. Most people get SD when they are in their late 40’s. At this age it is hard to get any job, whether you have SD or not. Companies discriminate against people this age,and it is hard to prove the discrimination. When a person is unemployed and looking for a job, it is hard to see through the fog. Anyone with SD who is able to keep his job and retire is blessed and should be thankful. A few may not see the blessing. It is not the fog blocking the view. This is the real tragedy. It breaks my heart.

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--modified by will blum at Wed, Jan 01, 2003, 02:23:56







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Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"? **(employment , with SD)**
Re: Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"? **(employment , with SD)** -- will blum Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Lylia Bennett ®

01/01/2003, 15:05:26

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I totally agree with Will's post on this subject. Patients developing SD in their 40's or 50's find it difficult to continue employment in "high voice" type jobs. Loosing a job at that time in your life, makes finding a new job very difficult as well. An employment counselor suggested that I could water and tend the plants in a medical center. The job was part time and payed minimum wage. This would have been a "pleasant way to spend my time" but it would hardly keep a family afloat if you were the chief bread-winner. Lylia Bennett






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Re: **(employment , with SD)** Can't complain
Re: Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"? **(employment , with SD)** -- Lylia Bennett Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Richard Callen ®

01/01/2003, 17:17:41

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I would love to get a part time job tending plants. However, at 59, I can't get any type of job. I'm tired of trying. I will live on my pension of $1,000 a month. I got married December 1 to a well-educated young (37) woman who can help pay the bills. This kills two birds with one stone. I can't complain too much.



"Dick" Callen







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Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"? (employment , with SD)
Re: Re: What do you mean, "Upfront"? (employment , with SD) -- Lynne Martinez Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Joan Lownds ®

01/01/2003, 08:24:35

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Thank you, Lynne, and everyone else. My SD is mild, but flares up under the stress of a job interview and then becomes quite noticeable. I was embarrassed by this voice problem until I knew that I had SD. From the responses I'm getting here, I think the question of whether to mention it on a job interview seems to depend on the circumstances...(how the voice is doing, what the interviewers are like, etc.) I'll keep that in mind. Thanks again,

Joan






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