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Posted by: chadwick ®

01/31/2003, 22:12:02

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I realize every day how bad I sound to other people, especially when going into a store and speaking to the clerks. The thing that absolutely gets on my last nerve is everytime I hear somebody say "I know how you feel, I've had laryngitis before". I just want to scream, No You don't know how I feel, You don't know the first thing about how I feel. I try to explain that I don't have laryngitis and that I have a voice disorder, you know the routine, and then they look at me like I'm half crazy and they feel sorry for me. I just want to lock myself in my room and avoid the world. I actually went out with a friend the other night to a club, big mistake, way to much noise. A guy walked up to me and tried to talk to me, and when I tried to talk, he turned around and walked away. How can people be so rude and inconsiderate? I guess it was my fault for going to a noisy place to begin with. I guess acting like a normal person is no longer an option. Well, I'm done fussing for now, Thanks for listening.






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Posted by: Richard Callen ®

02/03/2003, 03:51:21

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Thank you for your message. You know what it's all about. But please don't blame yourself. It's a tough struggle.



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Posted by: William T Walter ®

02/04/2003, 23:39:23

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Hello Chadwick,

Yeah, it's a pain and embarrassing and frustrating and can really become a cuclical kind of self-pity, anger, frsutration, resentent, etc. At least for me it did - along with all sorts of oher problems in my life. But a few things have helped me get a a it over it and move on. First, gotta accept it. I say the Serenty Prayer a lot oremind myself to accept the things I cannot change. Second is thinking about people who have thigs a lot worse than me. It helps to talk to and be around people who need help to remind yourself of what you do have going for you. It also helps to be around people who are positive and who have problems that they are dealing with. You have to accept that life has now given you a problem you can't really fix flat out and you have to make do. And finally go easy on yourself. I'm yonug and single and can worry too much about how the opposite sex perceives me and that I am now a freak (or more of one than before) or just a pathetic person who can't speak right. But that's only true if I believe it myself. And yes, part of me wants to sit down and just feel sorry and ashamed of my shortcomings. But SD like all my other shortcomings (that aren't necessarily a disease even) are just to prove yet again I'm human and should be a little humble.

And a guy being a jerk in a bar isn't necesssarily due to your voice. He could just be a jerk or trying to be cool, etc. These things happen in bars. It's more him than you.

Finally, if normal means being more or less able to conceal your weaknesses and seemigly have no problems, than yes, you are no longer normal. It is quite obvious to everyone that you have a tough thing to deal with that can make them uncomfortable out of not understanding it, or afraid that you are hurting yourself by trying to talk, etc. But s a wise person told me, unfortunately life can be tough and you've got a difficult disease to deal with. But you have to either deal with it or let it control you. It's nothing to be embarrased about b/c it's a disease. People will respond to you even wit it by how well you deal with it. If you can accept it and make sure it does not control or dominate your other good qualities, you appear even stronger. There's n reason to hide. If someone makes fun of you or puts you down for it, well then there the a-hole and doens't deserve your time or needs to be put in their place (a few people have expressed how they have some snappy retorts to insensitie people). So, no, your not nrmal anymore. You are being foced to be unique. If you accept the challenge, youare going to learn to be n even sornger, more resilient person.

So keep venting when needed but try to overcome. I'm working on it myself. And generally I stay away from noisy bar myself now,o. I tried for a year or so okeep the good times rolling, so to speak, but it really is a pain in the buttwhen nobody can hear you. There's other places to have fun and meet people. And it might even be more meaningful.

Take care.

Bill

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Re: venting
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Posted by: Kim Lee ®

02/05/2003, 19:39:48

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Kudos!! I know exactly how you both feel. I just recently starting to cope with SD. When people ask me if I have a cold or are you feeling ok, I tell them that I have a voice problem. But then the violins come out. I don't want people to feel sorry for me, I just want them to understand. But then I have bad days and where I just say "no" (that I don't have a cold)end of subject. Sometimes I apologize to people for not getting the words out. I think I'm happy when I can get thru a conversation with people and nobody says anything to me. That's great!!

People at work treat me as if I don't have a voice problem. Which is good, I started there a year ago, so they don't know my real voice.

I have good and bad days. It all depends on how the day is going. It's very frustrating and I still ask myself the question, "how did this happen to me?" "Why?" "Why can't be cured?"

Hang in there!!

Kim







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Re: venting
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Posted by: Kim ®

02/05/2003, 20:09:02

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Okay, I have to ask.... WHY do people always think the words "Disease" and "disorder" equal the same thing????!! THEY DON'T!!!! LOOK IT UP IN THE DICTIONARY!!!!

Anyways, that was my rant for hte day.







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Posted by: William T Walter ®

02/07/2003, 15:55:32

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Kim, that is so weird b/c I've been thinking about those 2 words myself of late. I have often referred to my voice as a disorder (which in my mind implies that I am in some way at fault - that if I could just put things in order, it'd be fine). But I am recently this really is a disease which is not my fault and I have to accept that.

But what iritates you about the confusion of the 2 terms?

Bill







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Re: venting
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Posted by: Kim ®

02/07/2003, 23:42:45

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Well, for one thing, diseases frequently KILL people! They are also usually progressive. Neither is usually typical for 'disorders' ... besides, 'disorder' doesn't mean anyone's at fault... it only mean some strange, narrow-minded neurologically typical person doesn't like it because it's not 'normal'/it's different from the typical (statistical majority) situation.

There are all sorts of 'disorders' that make a person different, but don't necessarily need to be 'fixed'. When people think of 'disease' they think of something that needs to be fixed, and cured, and that 'shouldn't be'... to call a disorder something that by necessity needs to be fixed means that it's inherently bad, and that it shouldn't exist (and by definition, people with such conditions are 'defective' somehow ...again because they're not 'normal'. Personally, this attitude drives me NUTS!! Never mind infuriates me!! Just because I'm disabled (in multiple ways) does not mean that I need to be 'fixed' or 'cured' or 'made more normal' in order to be acceptable to the narrow-minded, self-righteous, hypocritical majority of neurologically typical/non-disabled people/society I find myself surrounded by!)

Anyways, my rant for the day. {:~)







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Posted by: William T Walter ®

02/18/2003, 22:02:56

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Kim,

Wow - that's some anger there! I found it interesting b/c my reaction to those 2 words is the exact opposite. I think of disease as omething that just happens, that isn't by nature bad, it's just an ailment that hopefully could be fixed. I think of the term "disorder" as a wordimplying I didn' do something to keep order, or that order cold be restored if I just did the right things. It makes me feel like it's my responsibility.

So I guess this is an example of how we each perceive things differently. I know I perceive my voice to be very bad and I'm very self-conscious about it when others don't often think it's a big dealand don't get why I'd be so worked up. My new thing is to announce to peope who don't know me that I have it if I'm getting into a conversation with them and not only does that help b/c it decreases my anxieties by not hiding but I also have found most people don't care too much and overlook it already.

By the way, don't let others narrow-mindedness get you down. It's not representative of everyone fortunately and maybe you're just around the wrong people. I speak out of my experience b/c I was.

Bill

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Posted by: Cynthia Campbell ®

02/05/2003, 21:13:40

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I'm hoping that you still read the BB from time to time. I'm sorry I haven't replied but I've been having computer problems and I've lost most of my email addresses. Please drop me a line when you have a second so that I can have your address on file again.

Thanks very much,

Cynthia AB/SD Toronto







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Posted by: Bob Hager ®

02/06/2003, 23:34:27

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It's hard not to have the type of experiences you describe when you have SD. I was visiting a relative in NC with my wife and my mother and she was kind enough to put us up in her home for a week. From when we first arrived, she took the liberties of talking over me and finishing my sentences and I quickly became unnerved while speaking in her presence. We all sat down that night and watched the movie, As Good As It Gets with Jack Nicholson. At one point, she snickered and said, "that guy can't even carry on a normal conversation". That hit pretty closed to home for me and I never told my wife or my mother but that comment made me feel pretty miserable for the rest of the evening. She was referring to Jack Nicholson's charactor in the movie and despite all of his quirks and strange mannerisms, she singled out that quirk to poke fun at.

She happens to work in a tourist information center so it is her job to have 'normal conversations' with all the folks that wander in to the center to pick up free pamplets and ask where the best local pancake house is located. Anyway, I felt better when I rationalized her insensitive comment by deciding that it would be like me saying, "that guy can't even thoroughly analize customer needs and turn them into detailed specifications and use those specifications to create useful and efficient business systems solutions!!!!! WHAT A LOOOOOOSER!!!!"







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Posted by: will blum ®

02/07/2003, 08:28:48

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Your relative has a problem which is worst than any voice disorder. She is missing something in her life. She just looks at the messenger using her tunnel vision, and never gets the message. You are probably not the only person that she find faults. Comments from people like your relative do not bother me. They have this problem called pride. Have you ever heard of this comment. "No one ever kicks a dead dog"? This means that you are not a LOOOOOOSER. It bothers me than your relative is from NC. This is where I live, and I would like to find a way to deport her. We do not need her working in a tourist information center in NC.






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Re: venting
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Posted by: Larry Blair ®

04/12/2003, 14:24:00

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I know what you mean. My wife passed away two years ago, and I have just started dating again. The voice thing, makes it difficult. I would much rather stick to quieter surroundings. I wear a hearing aid besides, and that can really make it hard. I just deal with it the best I can. So far no one has really made a big deal out of it. Just another challenge. I too can't stand it when talking on the phone and the person will ask you if you have a cold? I always explain that it is more then that. Actually when I have a cold my voice is much improved? Figure that out? Anyway, don't let it get you down.

Larry
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Posted by: arlene porter ®

04/12/2003, 16:40:45

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I just love it when I am talking to someone and they tell me how awful I sound and they hope I feel better soon. That is when I tell them I wish I was sick then it would get better and I explain about my voice and they start spologizing. People can be so cruel. I have gotten to the point that I dont use the phone unless I have too. At work I dont answer the phone unless it absolutely does not get answered by someone else.






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Posted by: fosterkappy ®

04/12/2003, 21:19:31

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I actually like when people think I have laryngitis. It makes me feel like a normal person with a normal everyday problem. Everyone tells me I hope you feel better, and I just smile and think " I hope I do too." It is a cruel disorder, I hate it but it is easier, for me, to let them think it is Laryngitis. Besides, I always get the last laugh because I know the real reason I sound like that. Most people will never comprehend this anyway because it is rare and mostly unheard of. I can't stand loud places either. Well we certainly will have more peace and quiet with this. I am trying to find some positives in this. There aren't many. I get mad too!!






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Posted by: Linda S. Adamson ®

04/13/2003, 10:23:15

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I'll share a reaction I got recently that I had not previously encountered -- and it happened twice within an hour. I was in the worst kind of environment for voice disorders, a large room with terrible acoustics & a large group of people milling around and talking. The pits. I was wearing my fanny-pack amplifier & neck-mounted mic to help me be somewhat audible, and it's fairly common for folks to think that it's either a phone of some sort or what it is -- but intended to address a crowd in a way anyone would do. What two different people said upon meeting me was something about my being clearly ready to make announcements to the crowd. I gave my standard short reply, "No, I have a neurological voice disorder." Both times, the person smiled broadly and said enthusiastically, "Fantastic!!"

I have to admit, that one floored me. I can only imagine that they meant that the technology meant I was fixed, and wasn't that just great!!

How little they knew.
The good thing is that I've typically had nothing but kind reactions, even if not knowledgeable -- but how could I expect that? I never heard of this disorder myself till it bit me, so why should anyone else? We have a ton of education to do.
Linda Adamson
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Posted by: karen feeley ®

04/15/2003, 09:44:06

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Maybe, I've finally gotten closer to the "accepting" stage, as Will mentioned above, or maybe I'm still stuck somewhere between there and "denial", but I have to agree that I prefer for the most part to just say "yes" when people ask if I have a cold or laryngitis and move on to the next topic, rather than dwelling on the disorder.

However, I have had an experience recently that have helped put things in some perspective:

I work on projects and recently was about to get my next shot. I figured I'd better tell my boss that my voice was about to go haywire for a few weeks so he'll understand. I sat him down privately and explained all about the SD. He was quite surprised, mainly because he hadn't even realized there was anything wrong with my voice. He said that he just thought I had a unique tone to my voice and that was all.
All this time I was worrying that he was thinking I sounded more and more nervous and unsure (due to tremors and breaks that I noticed happening more frequently), and he not only hadn't picked up on it, but he told me that he always thought I spoke confidently. What a relief!

That really helped me put it in perspective that maybe not everybody notices or concerns themselves about it quite as much as I do. (Granted, I've had plenty of the other experiences, too, but it was a pleasant change.)


-Karen (AD/SD)







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Posted by: myrtle52 ®

04/14/2003, 18:42:05

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HEY, I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL! I HAD A CLERK AT A STORE ONE TIME TELL MY HUSBAND THAT HE WISHED THAT WHATEVER I HAD WOULD HAPPEN TO HIS WIFE! WHAT AN IDIOT! I HAVE LEARNED OVER THE LAST 17 YEARS THAT YOU CAN'T WORRY ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE SAY OR HOW THEY REACT. IF THEY SAY "I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL" THAN JUST ACCEPT IT AND GO ON, BELIVE ME YOU ARE NORMAL AND I AM SURE YOU HAVE A LOT GOING FOR YOU. TAKE CARE.






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Posted by: Barbara Oberholtzer ®

04/16/2003, 09:48:41

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I am very lucky. After 8 long years of fighting AD/SD, I had surgery by Dr. Berke and it was very succesful for me so far. It will be three years this August since the surgery. I certainly remember all the comments, looks, questions all too well over the years. Sometimes people seemed so rude. When I first started taking Botox, we went to Chicago to visit my son. I was in the whispering stage and we went to a very noisy restaurant downtown. My son had to repeat my order to her. She later came over to our table to check on things and started asking my son if I was satisfied with my meal and if I wanted anything else etc. After she walked away, my son looked at me with a big grin and said, "Mom, I think she thinks you're deaf too. At first, I was insulted and then we all three got so tickled. I really put things into perspective after that whenever someone looked at me strangely when I spoke or asked questions. Mostly, everyone asked if I had laryngitis and I would just say "Yes" and let it go. One lady even asked me if I had had a stroke. I realized how handicapped people must feel every day with the looks (Which I am guilty of), questions, rudeness etc. and counted myself lucky. It helped me to tolerate people a lot better and quit feeling sorry for myself. I just kept on being myself as much as I could. It wasn't always easy and there were times I would have liked to hit a few nosy, rude people but mostly I would remember they knew nothing about SD and not let it bother me. Mostly, I told everyone, I felt great, just had a "sick" voice. And you are right, it helps a lot to "vent." Been there, done that!!






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Posted by: vici forsyth ®

04/18/2003, 15:05:49

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I've had the experience you mention, but what also really gets to me is a few people who I know well that always comment on my voice every time I see or talk to them. Usually it's, "You're voice sounds good today", when I know it sounds awful. They're probably trying to encourage me, but it makes me feel like they're telling me it's all in my head and my voice really isn't a problem. A couple of times they have made the comment before I've said more than "Hi!" Also, I think I go more by how it feels--how much effort it's taking to get the sound out--rather than how it sounds. Enough for now!

Vici -- ABSD w/tremor Illinois







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