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Posted by: Todd ® 08/19/2002, 07:19:26 Author Profile Mail author |
Hello - I have AD-SD, and this last Friday the 16th a Speech Pathologist, Neurologist and ENT - together gave me 1.25 Botox into each side up at Dartmouth Hospital. Great doctors, very warm and personable but also professional and confidence inspiring.
I felt immediate changes, and here 48+ hours later the changes continue. The spasms were reduced immediately, but they are not gone. I am hoarse and my throat feels like it needs clearing now and then. If I talk softely, my voice is better than it has been in months. However the tremor/spasm's are still not gone. I've been reading that the effects can take up to a week to fully show themselves? And average at least 2-3 days before real improvement is seen? Is this typical for those of you with experience in this? Seems like a directly injected neuro-toxin should become fully active much more quickly than that! Thanks! --modified by Todd at Mon, Aug 19, 2002, 18:20:02 |
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Posted by: Todd ® 08/19/2002, 23:00:06 Author Profile Mail author |
Seeing lots of traffic here, I assume then that none of you folks have had Botulinum shots? Need some support here, knowledge/wisdom from previous participents in this medication would be greatly appreciated! |
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Posted by: David Barton (NZ) ® 08/19/2002, 23:24:33 Author Profile Mail author |
Todd - I can't speak for other readers, but I answered you when you first posted this on the DMRF bulletin board. http://www.dystonia-bb.org/forums/asd/posts/11007.html If you had posted here first I would have answered you here. If you read through a selection of posts on this BB you'll will see that many of us have had Botox shots for SD, so your assumption is incorrect. Best wishes David Barton (AD/SD, Auckland, NZ) |
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Posted by: Todd ® 08/19/2002, 23:35:32 Author Profile Mail author |
Sorry to make you angry. Yes I've NOT read every previous post here, and have likely even been redundant. I've just had these shots, they were and are scary. I'm upset about it and therefore perhaps not the clear epitomy of rationality that you clearly were when you went through it the first time yourself. I apologize again.
--modified by Todd at Tue, Aug 20, 2002, 08:32:00 |
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Posted by: John Comer ® 08/20/2002, 10:23:46 Author Profile Mail author |
Todd, I don't think David was angry. However, there is a plethora of information on this website related to Botox injections. Virtually every page on the site has a Botox discussion on it. Those of us who have had Botox and who have been on the website are very well informed. As a new "injectee" you obviously have not had experience on the website or with Botox. If you spend a little time "leafing" through some of the discussion threads you will learn a lot. I hope the Botox is helping you. John Comer ABSD Minnesota |
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Posted by: Todd ® 08/20/2002, 11:03:58 Author Profile Mail author |
Thanks John, I'm learning! RE: David - it wasn't only in that specific thread that he has seemed a bit aggressive. But thats ok, to each their own! |
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Posted by: Ida Neary ® 08/20/2002, 08:30:17 Author Profile Mail author |
Hi Todd When I first started getting Botox shots, 12 years ago,(Sd went undiagnosed 10 years before that) there wasn't any forum to ask questions. I felt all alone. I had shots that took real well, shots that didn't take as well and shots that didn't take at all. Each shot is a "shot in the dark" so to speak. Your doctor will have to experiment to see what is best for you. In the meantime enjoy the lessening of the spasms and live with what ever voice you have. Botox didn't work for me for the past 3 years and my voice was very tight. My last shot took a little and I have blessed whatever time I have free of spasms. Sometime my voice sounds hoarse, sometimes not, sometimes strong, sometimes not so. It is what it is, but it is better than what it was. I don't know if the next shot will take at all, so I am grateful for anything I can say without spasms. Usually, when the shot is a good one, I am free of spasms the next day, but it can take a couple of weeks or more before my voice is strong all the time. I don't have any tremor, and I have heard that Botox may not have much of an effect on tremor. Hope this helps. Ida AD/SD 25 yrs. |
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Posted by: Larry Becnel ® 08/20/2002, 11:14:26 Author Profile Mail author |
For me, Botox has helped with tremor. It was particularly helpful when injected into the "false" chords--the muscles that the real vocal chords "hang from." The beneficial effects wear off in time, of course, but the respite from tremor is wonderful while it lasts. Larry |
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Posted by: gavin hadley ® 08/20/2002, 13:24:03 Author Profile Mail author |
Larry.. They injected your false vocal chords? How many units? In both sides? thx. gavin hadley |
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Posted by: Larry Becnel ® 08/22/2002, 08:55:16 Author Profile Mail author |
Yes, both sides. This was done in the hospital while I was "under." I don't recall the units, but he said it was a larger dose than I had been getting. This was the most successful treatment I've had so far, and with the fewest side effects. But it's been 4 months and the tremors are returning. Have an appointment for consult about possibly getting another dose in the doc's office. Larry |
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Posted by: Linda S. Adamson ® 08/24/2002, 07:51:04 Author Profile Mail author |
Hi, Todd, It sounds like you had excellent professionals giving you your first Botox injections. It also sounds, reasonably enough, like you are very early in your learning curve on both the variety of responses to Botox treatments and, perhaps, on your SD itself. Was your treatment at the same time as your initial diagnosis? Did anyone put you in touch with a local support group where you could talk to folks who have gone through what you are now facing for the first time? My diagnosis was last January; before having my first treatment, I took 2 months to learn more about SD (mine is ABductor) both through electronic & print sources and connections to others with SD in my area. In addition, I work with a wonderful speech path. who gave me lots of resources and great anatomy lessons. By the time I got my first shot, I had already been to a support group meeting and a patient symposium (the one in Scottsdale last March), and had a 2" binder filled with what I had learned and collected. For me, that research period gave me lots of reassurance -- including being comfortable with the clear reality that there is no ONE response to the Botox, as there is no single pattern to the way SD manifests itself. And I was very clear that I am in charge of my own treatment. My first injection (7.5 units, right side) was a bust; I had one day of a normal voice 3 weeks after the shot. Other than that, I'd say I was mostly worse than pre-shot. Three months later I had a second shot (2.5 units, left side) with dramatically different results. My dr. shared the video of my vocal folds from the diagnosis point and before the second shot; it showed (well enough for my untrained eyes to see) that there was still residual effect from the first shot, so it wasn't the case that it didn't "take." Rather, it wasn't enough (apparently), given which muscles are having the spasms in my case. My guess is that the second dose gave the right balance. Now, two months later, I am still better off than I have been at any time in more than a year (my SD onset began about a year and a half ago), though I do have some spasms. But I am not as exhausted from all the air I leaked due to the AB spasms, and people can hear me more easily. I use my fanny pack mic/amplifier when I have to talk in a large-ish space (more than just a few people around a table) because I still have no volume to speak of. But I feel, overall, thrilled that Botox apparently is going to be a huge help to me in keeping me functional. I hope you have been able to connect in person with others who have your type of SD (AD is the more common version). I'll be interested to hear how your own response to the injections plays out over time; there is huge variation, I have learned from this BB and from meeting folks.
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